The Crimson Disciples - Begining Anew

So, I figured I'd chronicle my forray into a new army...... again. I posted about it several months ago, but never got around to starting it, but the time has come!

The Crimson Disciples.
Chaos Space Marines (using Codex Blood Angels)

The first step in the creation of a new army (at least for me) is what type of army do I want to play?
The answer for this one is a Mech Heavy list that has a solid firebase and protects itself from the enemy onslaught.

So Part 1: The firebase.

Which starts with the troops.
I want to run an armor based list so a firebase+armor using the BA Codex = Razorbacks. 6 to be precise.
All loadout is the same Lascannon + Twin Linked Plasma Guns. (Big Surprise I know, but it's always been my favorite loadout since 2nd edition.)

Then, in true chaos fashion, each will have 5 guys inside.

Next up is HQ. since I'm spoofing both BA and the Word Bearers (the dark disciples) the HQ can be none other than Librarians (Sorcerers). and to both Protect The Army (Shield of Sanguinius) and scare the opponent (Fear the Darkness) they should be good to go!

Next up is the Support Fire. Heavy support will break from the normal BA Heavies in that there will be no Stormravens. just Vindicators with Siege Shields (3 to be precise). and the Fast Attack. So to continue with the Armor theme, Baal Predators (again 3) armed with utilitarian layouts: Assault Cannons with Heavy Bolter Sponsons.

Now to fill in some holes, Resiliency in the ranks, I'm adding 4 Sanguinary Priests. (2 squads of 2) with Infernus Pistols and Power Swords.

So, When I create a new army, I always plot out what the army lists will be all the way through.

So, Starting at 1500 and going all the way up to 2500 points, here they are:

Slot	Unit	Upgrades	Cost	Total Cost		Army Total
HQ	Librarian		100	115		1500
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x3		150	240
		Infernus Pistol x3	45
		Power Sword x3	45
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

Slot	Unit	Upgrades	Cost	Total Cost		Army Total
HQ	Librarian		100	100		1750
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x3		150	240
		Infernus Pistol x3	45
		Power Sword x3	45
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	115
		Flamestorm Cannons	0
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

Slot	Unit	Upgrades	Cost	Total Cost		Army Total
HQ	Librarian		100	115		1845
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
		Infernus Pistol	15
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x3		150	240
		Infernus Pistol x3	45
		Power Sword x3	45
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

Slot	Unit	Upgrades	Cost	Total Cost		Army Total
HQ	Librarian		100	115		1995
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
		Infernus Pistol	15
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x3		150	240
		Infernus Pistol x3	45
		Power Sword x3	45
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

Slot	Unit	Upgrades	Cost	Total Cost		Army Total
HQ	Librarian		100	100		2500
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
HQ	Librarian		100	100
		Shield of Sanguinius	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x2		100	160
		Infernus Pistol x2	30
		Power Sword x2	30
Elite	Sanguinary Priest x2		100	160
		Infernus Pistol x2	30
		Power Sword x2	30
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	185
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Infernus Pistol	15
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Troop	Assault Squad x5		100	170
		Remove Jump Packs	0
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Las, TL Plasma	35
		Storm Bolter	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	150
		Heavy Bolter Sponsons	30
		Dozer Blade	5
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

And the starting point of things I need to put together:

2 Chaos Sorcerers

1 Box of Possesed

3 Chaos Space Marine Boxes

6 Chaos Rhinos

6 Razorback Sprues

3 Baal Predators

3 Chaos Vindicators

3 Chaos Vehicle Upgrade Kits

The Possesed will be the Sanguinary Priests.
Thoughts on this anyone?

The Crimson Disciples - Chaos Space Marines (Blood Angels Codex)

So, with the League starting at the local Store, I will also be participating.

However Because of my experience, I am handicapping myself so that I don't have an unfair advantage.

So while everyone else starts at 250 points, I'm starting at 200 (well, a little less)

Here is the total army list that I will be fielding once everything is said and done:

HQ	Librarian		100	115	1750
		Blood Lance	0
		Fear the Darkness	0
		Infernus Pistol	15
Elite	Sanguinary Priests	3 Priests - Power Armor	150	150
Troop	Assault Squad	Remove Jump Packs	100	165
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Lascannon/TL Plasma	35
Troop	Assault Squad	Remove Jump Packs	100	165
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Lascannon/TL Plasma	35
Troop	Assault Squad	Remove Jump Packs	100	165
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Lascannon/TL Plasma	35
Troop	Assault Squad	Remove Jump Packs	100	165
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Lascannon/TL Plasma	35
Fast	Baal Predator		115	120
		Flamestorm	0
		Dozer Blad	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	120
		Flamestorm	0
		Dozer Blad	5
Fast	Baal Predator		115	120
		Flamestorm	0
		Dozer Blad	5
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10
Heavy	Vindicator		145	155
		Siege Shield	10

And to start off I will be fielding:

Troop	Assault Squad	Remove Jump Packs	100	165
		Melta Gun	10
		Razorback	20
		Lascannon/TL Plasma	35

This gives me a single squad and by month three I'll have two of those and the Librarian in the mix. fufilling the Minimum FOC to actually play.

Anyone have any thoughts?

Blood Angels: The Storm Harbringer

There are a lot of rumors going around about the Flying Land Raider (or the sky raiders as I've Dubbed it)

Here are the rumors that have come my way so far

140 Points
BS:4 Front:13 Side:11 Rear:10

Fast Skimmer

Tantalus Cannon System: 18" Range, Strength 6 AP4, Rending, Pinning, Twin Linked, Heavy 8
Transport: 16 models (assault servitors, jump packs and termies take 2 slots), or Five Bikes or 1 Dreadnought
no fire points, 1 access point at the front.
Deep Strike
Jump Pack Insertion: Jump Pack equipped infantry may assault even if the thing deep striked this turn.
May take:
Twin Linked Heavy Flamer, Twin Linked Plasma Gun or Twin Linked Multi-Melta for +10pts
Up to two hunter killer missiles for +10 each.

So how will this affect game play? Honestly, not much. The smart player will put an assault squad (8 man) in it.
Equiped as follows:
Assault Squad x8
7x Assault Marines
1 Melta Gun
Sergent: Infernus Pistol, Power Fist

all for a cost of  342 POINTS

So when this thing deep strikes, it can not fire, it's assault squad jumps out and eats a squad. odds are that there will be no squad left, but if there is the assault squad will eat them the next turn.

AV 13 means that this thing will attract a lot of fire and likely die, or at least be unable to move or shoot.

Now the SMART player will start this thing on the board (no cover for you since it will likely be on a valkyrie flying stand) and get 1 turn to do what it does. and remember that on the valk flying stand, when the squad disembarks, they have to disembark within 2" of the BASE. limits it's effectiveness quite a bit.

It is not a valkyrie. it will not be played the same way. if it moves flat out nobody can get out. so if I blow it up when it's gone flat out all that expensive assault squad dies. ouch.

In the end I say Cool Toy, but armies that take a bunch of them will suffer horrible failures.

Stephen


NOW REMEMBER THESE ARE RUMORS AND THE FINAL VERSION MAY VARY, but still, for now, not the best choice for your forces. It will be useful for a last minute objective grab, but it has to survive long enough to do that.  I believe the official one will be a bit different, but not by much and likely the only difference will be a side armor increase to 12 and a 10 point bump in price.

Pic from BoLS